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Tuesday, March 06, 2012
OBAMA IS NOT THE MESSIAH. HE'S A VERY NAUGHTY BOY.
About this time last year, nearly everyone was crying out for Obama to produce his long form birth certificate. A pdf document was eventually released but it was quickly shown to be potentially a fraud. A few days later and Osama bin Laden was raised from the grave, having been dead for years after dying from Marfan Syndrome, and killed again in a story that beggars belief because they still can't get their facts straight, have not produced any survivors such as the daughters, and cannot produce a corpse because...Oopsadaisy! It was allegedly quickly buried at sea. The birth certificate issue was buried in the euphoria (supposedly along with Osama bin Laden's corpse).
Now, after nearly a year to really research the document that was alleged to be Obama's long form birth certificate, some researchers, after 2200 hours of taking the document apart, have concluded that the document that was released in late April last year is, as many suspected, a fake.
This does not automatically mean that Obama is a fake (though we know he is). But we do have to question, if he had a real long form birth certificate why was that not produced instead of the forgery?
Obama was portrayed as the Messiah, sent from heaven to banish the evil bankers to hell and save America.
Can you tell me exactly, without any bullshit, what happened and what was handed out at the press conference on 27th April 2011 at which the long form certificate was shown?
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
As I understand it, Carney held up a certificate, said that was it, put that down and what attendees received was a copy of that with the copy on one side and the other side white and blank. The object that Carney said was the real certificate was not passed around.
And why is Savannah Guthrie the only journalist to have allegedly seen and touched and photographed the real long form certificate? Who is Guthrie?
And have you seen the real certificate (not a copy), handled the real certificate?
By the way, how did you hear of this blog and in particular the blog that prompted you to reply?
At the press conference two kinds of copies were handed out, the official two copies--which were passed around and then given back--and photocopies of the official copy, which they could keep.
The reporter photographed the official copy. The AP, which did not have a photographer in the room, took its copy from the photocopy--which of course does not have the security paper.
Further facts:
Here is the photographic image of the physical copy of the long-form birth certificate that was passed around in the White House Press room, and the statement of the reporter who photographed it that she had felt the raised seal:
http://lockerz.com/s/96540721
Here is the photographic image of the physical copy of Obama's short form birth certificate, front and back.
http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
Here is confirmation that it is the official birth certificate that Hawaii issues
Here is the first of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
Re: "why is Savannah Guthrie the only journalist to have allegedly seen and touched and photographed the real long form certificate? Who is Guthrie?"
Guthrie was the only one who was smart enough to use her cell phone to take the picture. Others did not take on the role of photographers. The AP reporter took the photocopy of the document to the AP's photographer, who was not in the room.
Re: "Who is Guthrie?" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_Guthrie
So you are saying that Carney passed the "official two copies" around and then handed out photocopies of the "official two copies"? You seem to have references for everything else so do you have a reference for that too? I mean surely the journalists who actually attended and felt and touched and held the alleged long form certificate would have written about it. Who else besides Guthrie wrote about their holding of the alleged long form certificate?
That link http://lockerz.com/s/96540721 is Guthrie again.
What I meant regarding the question about Guthrie was what are her links to Al Gore and possible Mockingbird-like operatives in the British and American media?
And can you answer where you heard of this blog and in particular the blog which prompted your reply?
And have you held the alleged real long form certificate?
And how do you feel about Obama bailing out Wall Street with multi trillions, and despite his Nobel Peace Prize declaring war without Congressional authorisation to help al Qaeda out in Libya and soon Syria?
BTW some of your reply is quoted verbatim, punctuation included, from other websites, as if you have a cut-and-paste answer already waiting for reply.
Re: "So you are saying that Carney passed the "official two copies" around and then handed out photocopies of the "official two copies"? You seem to have references for everything else so do you have a reference for that too? "
I failed to bookmark it. That is what happened.
Re: "I mean surely the journalists who actually attended and felt and touched and held the alleged long form certificate would have written about it. "
Yes, they all wrote that Obama had shown his birth certificate.
Re: "Who else besides Guthrie wrote about their holding of the alleged long form certificate?"
Are you saying that she, and FactCheck, and the officials in Hawaii are all LIARS?
Re: "That link http://lockerz.com/s/96540721 is Guthrie again."
Yes, it is Guthrie. She is a witness. She stated that she had held the physical birth certificate. The DOH of Hawaii stated that she had seen the original birth certificate being copied onto security paper and that was what was given to Obama's lawyer. Are you saying that they are both lying?
And can you answer where you heard of this blog and in particular the blog which prompted your reply?
I do searches for birther claims.
Re: "And have you held the alleged real long form certificate?"
NO, but the press did.
Re: "And how do you feel about Obama bailing out Wall Street with multi trillions..."
Selective memory. Bush bailed out Wall Street. Obama bailed out the auto companies.
Re: "BTW some of your reply is quoted verbatim, punctuation included, from other websites, as if you have a cut-and-paste answer already waiting for reply."
Sure, what is wrong with that. It is an efficient way to answer a lot of birther blogs.
A question for you. Do you really believe that Obama could have been born outside the USA?
Funny. What search term did you use to find that blog? I can’t find anything producing that blog in the stats package I use.
So you say you saw reports from reporters other than Guthrie in which they state they held the certificate that was alleged to be the real LFCOLB but you forgot to save them? Hmm. Not sure I believe that.
As I understand it no other reporters at the 27th April conference say they actually held the certificate said to be the real long form. Jake Tapper of ABC News said that Pfeiffer held a certificate up but did not say it was passed around, which I think Tapper would have said if it had been passed around and he had held it. But if you can find those reports in which reporters other than Guthrie say they actually held the LFCOLB that you say you saw then...?
Guthrie is the only reporter we know of to say she held the LFCOLB and photographed it. If so, when? And why only her?
Which is why I asked you who Guthrie really was. Guthrie is part of a network that stinks of operatives of one form or another, linking into Operation Mockingbird and Al Gore. Her former employer Gump Akin locks directly into this network too.
You also raise FactChecks. Who are FactChecks? They received a big donation from the Carnegie Foundation last year. Carnegie is a tool of the globalists working towards a world government. The Annenbergs seem to be the main financial supporters of FactChecks, right from its creation. The Annenberg Foundation was founded by Walter Annenberg. He was the US Ambassador to Great Britain and is a Knight of the Realm! You do not become these unless you are servants of the globalist network, just one layer down from Bilderberg. But it gets worse than that. Walter’s father Moses, who built the family fortune, was seriously tied to The Mob! Both father and son were tax evaders. So behind this veneer of philanthropy there lurks something murky. Much like with the Rockefellers. Walter attacked McCarthy when McCarthy was exposing the bankers and the Communists. The Annenbergs are funding a large journalism centre to control the way we think.
As for Obama. His mother’s background is CIA and research for foundations like Ford and Rockefeller. He received massive financial backing from Wall Street (that’s why he bailed them out). He has spent how much money trying to stop the release of his LFCOLB? Upon election he immediately appointed a gaggle of Bilderbergers to his administration, many of whom had been appointed by Bush. And he has just signed the NDAA which gives him the power to kill American citizens without due process. He is also implementing the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) signed by Bush to create a North American Union as part of a world government. And despite his peace prize he is threatening war, war and more war, having just supported al Qaeda in Libya, and has killed how many innocent men, women and children through the use of unmanned drones in Pakistan, Yemen etc?
I could go on and on.
THE GUY IS A FAKE!
This scandal surrounding his LFCOLB could all be part of an engineered scandal, perhaps by the CIA itself, to deflect attention from what Obama is really doing, which is destroying America. Look around you. Homelessness. Joblessness. A major drive towards a Police State. Virtual sexual assault by the TSA everywhere you travel. Wars and invasions and extra judicial murders. A world government being implemented. Mass corruption and genocide, either through phony green ideals or war.
And no bankers (who bankrolled his election) going to jail.
I am saying I have seen enough trickery and deception to believe that Obama is not the heaven-sent saviour he was made out to be.
I hope you enjoy the hell that Obama is working towards implementing for his masters in Wall Street and The City of London.
ps I would appreciate those reports from reporters other than Guthrie, that you say exist because you read them but forgot to save, who say the certificate or whatever it is was passed around.
Re: "So you say you saw reports from reporters other than Guthrie in which they state they held the certificate that was alleged to be the real LFCOLB but you forgot to save them? Hmm. Not sure I believe that."
I never said any such thing. I said that I saw reports that the physical copy of the long term birth certificate was passed around in the White House press room and everyone there got a chance to hold it and examine it. I also said that photocopies of the physical copy were given out to the press. I also said that Gutherie said that she held it and photographed it.
Her statement is sufficient. I know you would not believe it if every one of the members of the press stated that they had held and examined the BC. But the fact of the matter is that the press does not regard it as their job to determine whether a document is forged or not.
These two facts go together. Gutherie said that she had held it and felt the seal. (Birther sites by the way have never claimed that her photograph was forged). And, the DOH of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the original BC being photocopied onto security paper, and that the copy was accurate, and that that was what she gave to Obama's lawyer.
No official has ever said that there is anything wrong with Obama's birth certificate, either the short form or the long form. Hawaii, is, after all the expert on whether or not its BCs are forged, and yet no official has said that it was forged. The Republicans were in charge in Hawaii when the short-form was published, and yet they did not say that it was forged. Instead, they said that the facts on it were accurate.
The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming.
Obama has show his birth certificate twice, short form and long form. He has shown both the images of both of those and the physical copies of both of those. THREE Republican (and several Democrat) officials in Hawaii have stated that the facts on them are accurate. The facts are further confirmed by the birth notices in the newspapers (always sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii and never placed by relatives) and by a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth and writing home about (to her father, named Stanley about the birth that day to a woman named Stanley). Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii and in another interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
There is no evidence that Obama or his mother traveled in 1961. There are no documents in Kenya or anywhere else showing that Obama was born there or that Obama’s mother was there in 1961. It costs THOUSANDS of dollars to get from Hawaii to any foreign country and back, and it was a long, difficult and risky trip during pregnancy.
Despite the absurdity of his being born outside of the USA, Obama has shown his birth certificate that shows that he WAS born in the USA, and it has been further confirmed by the birth notices, Etc. The Republican candidates for president were all allegedly born in places that are a lot closer to foreign countries than Hawaii, and they have not shown their birth certificates AT ALL.
The birther “experts” have turned out to be a group of nuts (one of whom has claimed that he discovered Abraham’s arc and another of whom insists that Obama did not go to Columbia, even though Columbia says that he did). The posse did not even name the “experts” that it used.
I have seen enough of Obama's actions and history to believe that he cannot be trusted so there could be something dodgy about his birth certificate, but at the same time I also believe that there is a possible intel operation to discredit anti New World Order research.
Either way Obama is complicit.
In which case Obama is not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy.
You should listen to Alex Jones right now. He is covering the recent statements by Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff General Dempsey and SecDef Panetta yesterday. Obama has sold the USA out, dude!
Enjoy the hell he brings to your door, and worship him forever more.
Feel free to post reports of reporters other than Guthrie who say the alleged real LFCOLB was passed around, and not just held up and then quickly hidden.
Re: "I have seen enough of Obama's actions and history to believe that he cannot be trusted so there could be something dodgy about his birth certificate, but at the same time I also believe that there is a possible intel operation to discredit anti New World Order research. "
You have the right to vote against him, and I suspect you will. But there is not a shred of proof that he was born outside of the USA and is not a Natural Born US Citizen.
You do not believe Savannah Guterie or the current DOH of Hawaii. Both would have to be lying for the physical copy of the long form not to exist and not to have been sent to Obama.
Who else do you think is part of the plot?
The current attorney general of Hawaii and the police of Hawaii, who have not brought action charging Obama with forging a Hawaii birth certificate?
The former attorney general of Hawaii (a conservative Repubican) who did not bring action charging Obama with forging the short-form Hawaii birth certificate?
The three Republican officials (the former DOH, registrar of vital statistics and former Governor of Hawaii) who all stated that the facts on Obama's birth certificate are accurate?
The unnamed clerk who created Obama's short form birth certificate by copying the facts in the file into the computer form that generated the short-form birth certificate. (Presumably heor she made it all up, or received a document from Obama telling what should be inserted instead of using the document in the files.
The witness who said that she had been told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 and wrote home about it.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother, who said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii and that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth ws in a letter from Hawaii.
The US Department of State, which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961.
The US Immigration and Naturalization Servixce (INS), which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA or returned to the USA in 1961.
The entire government of Kenya, or some other country, which has hidden records of Obama's mother arriving their and Obama having given birth there.
Obama's parents, who for some reason took on the risk of lying about Obama's place of birth (even though the discovery of such a lie could have gotten Obama's father deported) and did so for no understandable reason (a naturalized US citizen is as good as a natural born one for all purposes except becoming president). Do you think that they thought in 1961 that Obama had a chance to become president?
The officials in Hawaii in 1961 who somehow allowed Obama's parents to get away with such a claim.
In fact, it is simple. Obama really was born in Hawaii. The short-form and long-form birth certificates from Hawaii really are accurate, Both say that he was born in Hawaii in 1961, and that is correct.
Well, if it is simple, as you so eloquently put it, why did Obama (the traitor) spend millions, was it?, trying to block access to the LFCOLB (it it existed?)?
Which is why I keep coming back to the press conference of 27th April. How many journalists were there? How many reported they actually held the alleged real LFCOLB as it was passed around? And if they held it then did they report they held it, like Guthrie? And if Guthrie is the only reporter to have held it and reported that she held it why have the other reporters not reported they did so? But if Guthrie held the alleged LFCOLB at another time and place other than the press conference then why was that?
As for the other people you mention, they could be blackmailed, threatened, etc. Do you still believe that Oswald shot JFK from the book depository? The people who control the US presidency, and I mean really control, are totally ruthless. Stinking evil.
Please have your next post containing references to articles by reports other than Guthrie saying the alleged LFCOLB was passed around and they held it, rather than just being held up and then quickly hidden out of public view.
Re: " Well, if it is simple, as you so eloquently put it, why did Obama (the traitor) spend millions, was it?, trying to block access to the LFCOLB (it it existed?)?"
Answer. It is very simple. HE DIDN'T. There has never been a case against Obama just for the birth certificate or for the birth certificate and other documents. All the cases against Obama were attempts to stop elections or to get Obama off the ballot. Obama opposed them. He never opposed any case for documents or for his birth certificate BECAUSE THERE NEVER WAS ONE AGAINST HIM. And the "millions" figure is all made up by birthers.
Re: "How many reported they actually held the alleged real LFCOLB as it was passed around?"
Answer: It only takes one witness. She confirms what the DOH of Hawaii said, which was that she had sent a physical copy of the LF birth certificate to Obama.
Re: "if Guthrie is the only reporter to have held it and reported that she held it why have the other reporters not reported they did so?"
Answer: Because they reported that Obama's birth certificate was passed around in the press room, and that was sufficient.
Re: "As for the other people you mention, they could be blackmailed, threatened, etc. "
Answer: The confirmations by two of the Republican Hawaii officials that Obama was born in Hawaii TOOK PLACE BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT.
Re: "Do you still believe that Oswald shot JFK from the book depository? "
Answer: What I believe has nothing to do with it. The facts are what are important. And the facts show that Obama has both a short form and a long form birth certificate from Hawaii, and (as proven by the birth notices in the newspapers), the Hawaii birth certificate was issued in 1961. There is also no evidence of any kind that Obama or his mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961.
Re: "Please have your next post containing references to articles by reports other than Guthrie saying the alleged LFCOLB was passed around and they held it, rather than just being held up and then quickly hidden out of public view.:"
Answer. No I won't. However, I will point at articles that say that Obama issued his birth certificate--which were carried by MANY newspapers and TV stations.
Re: "1. has the alleged LFCOLB been submitted to and examined in a court of law?"
Answer. No. It is not required. The Republican candidates have not shown their birth certificates at all, or should I say their alleged birth certificates.
You do not believe Savannah Guterie or the current DOH of Hawaii. Both would have to be lying for the physical copy of the long form not to exist and not to have been sent to Obama.
Who else do you think is part of the plot?
The current attorney general of Hawaii and the police of Hawaii, who have not brought action charging Obama with forging a Hawaii birth certificate?
The former attorney general of Hawaii (a conservative Repubican) who did not bring action charging Obama with forging the short-form Hawaii birth certificate?
The three Republican officials (the former DOH, registrar of vital statistics and former Governor of Hawaii) who all stated that the facts on Obama's birth certificate are accurate?
The unnamed clerk who created Obama's short form birth certificate by copying the facts in the file into the computer form that generated the short-form birth certificate. (Presumably heor she made it all up, or received a document from Obama telling what should be inserted instead of using the document in the files.
The witness who said that she had been told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 and wrote home about it.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother, who said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii and that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth ws in a letter from Hawaii.
The US Department of State, which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961.
The US Immigration and Naturalization Servixce (INS), which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA or returned to the USA in 1961.
The entire government of Kenya, or some other country, which has hidden records of Obama's mother arriving their and Obama having given birth there.
Obama's parents, who for some reason took on the risk of lying about Obama's place of birth (even though the discovery of such a lie could have gotten Obama's father deported) and did so for no understandable reason (a naturalized US citizen is as good as a natural born one for all purposes except becoming president). Do you think that they thought in 1961 that Obama had a chance to become president?
The officials in Hawaii in 1961 who somehow allowed Obama's parents to get away with such a claim.
In fact, it is simple. Obama really was born in Hawaii. The short-form and long-form birth certificates from Hawaii really are accurate, Both say that he was born in Hawaii in 1961, and that is correct.
I am concerned for your mental health and exactly who you are because you do not appear to be following social etiquette and respecting that this is my blog and not yours to spout your ideas. In addition you seem very reluctant to address anything but the birth certificate issue.
Now, let's read what you wrote in the third entry of this tiresome and distressing exchange. "At the press conference two kinds of copies were handed out, the official two copies--which were passed around and then given back--and photocopies of the official copy, which they could keep." I have kindly asked you several times to supply references other than from Guthrie which claim the LFCOLB was passed around, which you say "I failed to bookmark it." This implies to me that you are aware of at least one reference other than Guthrie on this.
But at the last time of asking for these references, how do you reply? "Answer. No I won't. However, I will point at articles that say that Obama issued his birth certificate--which were carried by MANY newspapers and TV stations."
Can you not see there is a big big difference between a pdf being released online and a piece of paper being held up, to the actual LFCOLB being passed around by a lot of reporters? At the time the LFCOLB was perhaps the most important piece of paper in the world, yet only one reporter says she held it and photographed it! And she has very very dubious connections. It all stinks to me.
And I have also stated lots of reasons for believing that Obama cannot be trusted so there is a possibility that there is something fishy about his LFCOLB. And I have also stated why some people could just be saying they have seen the LFCOLB; death threats, blackmail, etc.
I think you have no idea just who runs the planet and the depths they will go to, which is why I mentioned JFK. Killing a POTUS is nothing to these people.
So please respect that this is my blog not yours to continue your relentless harrassment over a single point.
Isn't there a medical definition for this kind of behaviour and obsession?
I ask again, kindly, and for the last time before I consider reporting you for harrassment, can you supply references other than Guthrie who at the press conference on 27th April say the LFCOLB was passed around and that they held it?
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Can you tell me exactly, without any bullshit, what happened and what was handed out at the press conference on 27th April 2011 at which the long form certificate was shown?
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
As I understand it, Carney held up a certificate, said that was it, put that down and what attendees received was a copy of that with the copy on one side and the other side white and blank. The object that Carney said was the real certificate was not passed around.
And why is Savannah Guthrie the only journalist to have allegedly seen and touched and photographed the real long form certificate? Who is Guthrie?
And have you seen the real certificate (not a copy), handled the real certificate?
By the way, how did you hear of this blog and in particular the blog that prompted you to reply?
At the press conference two kinds of copies were handed out, the official two copies--which were passed around and then given back--and photocopies of the official copy, which they could keep.
The reporter photographed the official copy. The AP, which did not have a photographer in the room, took its copy from the photocopy--which of course does not have the security paper.
Further facts:
Here is the photographic image of the physical copy of the long-form birth certificate that was passed around in the White House Press room, and the statement of the reporter who photographed it that she had felt the raised seal:
http://lockerz.com/s/96540721
Here is the photographic image of the physical copy of Obama's short form birth certificate, front and back.
http://factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
Here is confirmation that it is the official birth certificate that Hawaii issues
(http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574320190095246658.html)
Here is the first of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.kitv.com/r/17860890/detail.html
Notice where it says that there is an original birth certificate filed. Well, in 1961 foreign birth certificates, even those from other states, could not be filed in Hawaii. So the birth certificate in Obama’s files must be a Hawaii birth certificate.
Here is the second of the confirmations by the officials in Hawaii.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm
Notice where it says that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. So, not only is there an official Hawaiian birth certificate in the files, but it says right on it that Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii has never allowed the Department of Health to issue a birth document of any kind that says on it that anyone was born in Hawaii unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii, and that is what the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice.
And here is the confirmation by the former governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican, that says that Obama was born in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/right-now/2010/05/hawaii_gov_lingle_answers_the.html
And here is the statement of a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth in Hawaii, in Kapiolani Hospital, in 1961:
http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece
Here are the birth notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
Re: "why is Savannah Guthrie the only journalist to have allegedly seen and touched and photographed the real long form certificate? Who is Guthrie?"
Guthrie was the only one who was smart enough to use her cell phone to take the picture. Others did not take on the role of photographers. The AP reporter took the photocopy of the document to the AP's photographer, who was not in the room.
Re: "Who is Guthrie?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savannah_Guthrie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories
So you are saying that Carney passed the "official two copies" around and then handed out photocopies of the "official two copies"? You seem to have references for everything else so do you have a reference for that too? I mean surely the journalists who actually attended and felt and touched and held the alleged long form certificate would have written about it. Who else besides Guthrie wrote about their holding of the alleged long form certificate?
That link http://lockerz.com/s/96540721 is Guthrie again.
What I meant regarding the question about Guthrie was what are her links to Al Gore and possible Mockingbird-like operatives in the British and American media?
And can you answer where you heard of this blog and in particular the blog which prompted your reply?
And have you held the alleged real long form certificate?
And how do you feel about Obama bailing out Wall Street with multi trillions, and despite his Nobel Peace Prize declaring war without Congressional authorisation to help al Qaeda out in Libya and soon Syria?
BTW some of your reply is quoted verbatim, punctuation included, from other websites, as if you have a cut-and-paste answer already waiting for reply.
Re: "So you are saying that Carney passed the "official two copies" around and then handed out photocopies of the "official two copies"? You seem to have references for everything else so do you have a reference for that too? "
I failed to bookmark it. That is what happened.
Re: "I mean surely the journalists who actually attended and felt and touched and held the alleged long form certificate would have written about it. "
Yes, they all wrote that Obama had shown his birth certificate.
Re: "Who else besides Guthrie wrote about their holding of the alleged long form certificate?"
Are you saying that she, and FactCheck, and the officials in Hawaii are all LIARS?
Re: "That link http://lockerz.com/s/96540721 is Guthrie again."
Yes, it is Guthrie. She is a witness. She stated that she had held the physical birth certificate. The DOH of Hawaii stated that she had seen the original birth certificate being copied onto security paper and that was what was given to Obama's lawyer. Are you saying that they are both lying?
And can you answer where you heard of this blog and in particular the blog which prompted your reply?
I do searches for birther claims.
Re: "And have you held the alleged real long form certificate?"
NO, but the press did.
Re: "And how do you feel about Obama bailing out Wall Street with multi trillions..."
Selective memory. Bush bailed out Wall Street. Obama bailed out the auto companies.
Re: "BTW some of your reply is quoted verbatim, punctuation included, from other websites, as if you have a cut-and-paste answer already waiting for reply."
Sure, what is wrong with that. It is an efficient way to answer a lot of birther blogs.
A question for you. Do you really believe that Obama could have been born outside the USA?
Funny. What search term did you use to find that blog? I can’t find anything producing that blog in the stats package I use.
So you say you saw reports from reporters other than Guthrie in which they state they held the certificate that was alleged to be the real LFCOLB but you forgot to save them? Hmm. Not sure I believe that.
As I understand it no other reporters at the 27th April conference say they actually held the certificate said to be the real long form. Jake Tapper of ABC News said that Pfeiffer held a certificate up but did not say it was passed around, which I think Tapper would have said if it had been passed around and he had held it. But if you can find those reports in which reporters other than Guthrie say they actually held the LFCOLB that you say you saw then...?
Guthrie is the only reporter we know of to say she held the LFCOLB and photographed it. If so, when? And why only her?
Which is why I asked you who Guthrie really was. Guthrie is part of a network that stinks of operatives of one form or another, linking into Operation Mockingbird and Al Gore. Her former employer Gump Akin locks directly into this network too.
You also raise FactChecks. Who are FactChecks? They received a big donation from the Carnegie Foundation last year. Carnegie is a tool of the globalists working towards a world government. The Annenbergs seem to be the main financial supporters of FactChecks, right from its creation. The Annenberg Foundation was founded by Walter Annenberg. He was the US Ambassador to Great Britain and is a Knight of the Realm! You do not become these unless you are servants of the globalist network, just one layer down from Bilderberg. But it gets worse than that. Walter’s father Moses, who built the family fortune, was seriously tied to The Mob! Both father and son were tax evaders. So behind this veneer of philanthropy there lurks something murky. Much like with the Rockefellers. Walter attacked McCarthy when McCarthy was exposing the bankers and the Communists. The Annenbergs are funding a large journalism centre to control the way we think.
As for Obama. His mother’s background is CIA and research for foundations like Ford and Rockefeller. He received massive financial backing from Wall Street (that’s why he bailed them out). He has spent how much money trying to stop the release of his LFCOLB? Upon election he immediately appointed a gaggle of Bilderbergers to his administration, many of whom had been appointed by Bush. And he has just signed the NDAA which gives him the power to kill American citizens without due process. He is also implementing the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP) signed by Bush to create a North American Union as part of a world government. And despite his peace prize he is threatening war, war and more war, having just supported al Qaeda in Libya, and has killed how many innocent men, women and children through the use of unmanned drones in Pakistan, Yemen etc?
I could go on and on.
THE GUY IS A FAKE!
This scandal surrounding his LFCOLB could all be part of an engineered scandal, perhaps by the CIA itself, to deflect attention from what Obama is really doing, which is destroying America. Look around you. Homelessness. Joblessness. A major drive towards a Police State. Virtual sexual assault by the TSA everywhere you travel. Wars and invasions and extra judicial murders. A world government being implemented. Mass corruption and genocide, either through phony green ideals or war.
And no bankers (who bankrolled his election) going to jail.
I am saying I have seen enough trickery and deception to believe that Obama is not the heaven-sent saviour he was made out to be.
I hope you enjoy the hell that Obama is working towards implementing for his masters in Wall Street and The City of London.
ps I would appreciate those reports from reporters other than Guthrie, that you say exist because you read them but forgot to save, who say the certificate or whatever it is was passed around.
Re: "So you say you saw reports from reporters other than Guthrie in which they state they held the certificate that was alleged to be the real LFCOLB but you forgot to save them? Hmm. Not sure I believe that."
I never said any such thing. I said that I saw reports that the physical copy of the long term birth certificate was passed around in the White House press room and everyone there got a chance to hold it and examine it. I also said that photocopies of the physical copy were given out to the press. I also said that Gutherie said that she held it and photographed it.
Her statement is sufficient. I know you would not believe it if every one of the members of the press stated that they had held and examined the BC. But the fact of the matter is that the press does not regard it as their job to determine whether a document is forged or not.
These two facts go together. Gutherie said that she had held it and felt the seal. (Birther sites by the way have never claimed that her photograph was forged). And, the DOH of Hawaii stated in writing that she had seen the original BC being photocopied onto security paper, and that the copy was accurate, and that that was what she gave to Obama's lawyer.
No official has ever said that there is anything wrong with Obama's birth certificate, either the short form or the long form. Hawaii, is, after all the expert on whether or not its BCs are forged, and yet no official has said that it was forged. The Republicans were in charge in Hawaii when the short-form was published, and yet they did not say that it was forged. Instead, they said that the facts on it were accurate.
The proof that Obama was born in Hawaii is overwhelming.
Obama has show his birth certificate twice, short form and long form. He has shown both the images of both of those and the physical copies of both of those. THREE Republican (and several Democrat) officials in Hawaii have stated that the facts on them are accurate. The facts are further confirmed by the birth notices in the newspapers (always sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii and never placed by relatives) and by a witness who recalls being told of Obama’s birth and writing home about (to her father, named Stanley about the birth that day to a woman named Stanley). Obama’s Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii and in another interview that the first that her family had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
There is no evidence that Obama or his mother traveled in 1961. There are no documents in Kenya or anywhere else showing that Obama was born there or that Obama’s mother was there in 1961. It costs THOUSANDS of dollars to get from Hawaii to any foreign country and back, and it was a long, difficult and risky trip during pregnancy.
Despite the absurdity of his being born outside of the USA, Obama has shown his birth certificate that shows that he WAS born in the USA, and it has been further confirmed by the birth notices, Etc. The Republican candidates for president were all allegedly born in places that are a lot closer to foreign countries than Hawaii, and they have not shown their birth certificates AT ALL.
The birther “experts” have turned out to be a group of nuts (one of whom has claimed that he discovered Abraham’s arc and another of whom insists that Obama did not go to Columbia, even though Columbia says that he did). The posse did not even name the “experts” that it used.
I shall repeat this ad nauseum:
I have seen enough of Obama's actions and history to believe that he cannot be trusted so there could be something dodgy about his birth certificate, but at the same time I also believe that there is a possible intel operation to discredit anti New World Order research.
Either way Obama is complicit.
In which case Obama is not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy.
You should listen to Alex Jones right now. He is covering the recent statements by Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff General Dempsey and SecDef Panetta yesterday. Obama has sold the USA out, dude!
Enjoy the hell he brings to your door,
and worship him forever more.
Feel free to post reports of reporters other than Guthrie who say the alleged real LFCOLB was passed around, and not just held up and then quickly hidden.
Re: "I have seen enough of Obama's actions and history to believe that he cannot be trusted so there could be something dodgy about his birth certificate, but at the same time I also believe that there is a possible intel operation to discredit anti New World Order research. "
You have the right to vote against him, and I suspect you will. But there is not a shred of proof that he was born outside of the USA and is not a Natural Born US Citizen.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/292464/sheriff-joes-birther-posse-kevin-d-williamson
You do not believe Savannah Guterie or the current DOH of Hawaii. Both would have to be lying for the physical copy of the long form not to exist and not to have been sent to Obama.
Who else do you think is part of the plot?
The current attorney general of Hawaii and the police of Hawaii, who have not brought action charging Obama with forging a Hawaii birth certificate?
The former attorney general of Hawaii (a conservative Repubican) who did not bring action charging Obama with forging the short-form Hawaii birth certificate?
The three Republican officials (the former DOH, registrar of vital statistics and former Governor of Hawaii) who all stated that the facts on Obama's birth certificate are accurate?
The unnamed clerk who created Obama's short form birth certificate by copying the facts in the file into the computer form that generated the short-form birth certificate. (Presumably heor she made it all up, or received a document from Obama telling what should be inserted instead of using the document in the files.
The witness who said that she had been told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 and wrote home about it.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother, who said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii and that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth ws in a letter from Hawaii.
The US Department of State, which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961.
The US Immigration and Naturalization Servixce (INS), which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA or returned to the USA in 1961.
The entire government of Kenya, or some other country, which has hidden records of Obama's mother arriving their and Obama having given birth there.
Obama's parents, who for some reason took on the risk of lying about Obama's place of birth (even though the discovery of such a lie could have gotten Obama's father deported) and did so for no understandable reason (a naturalized US citizen is as good as a natural born one for all purposes except becoming president). Do you think that they thought in 1961 that Obama had a chance to become president?
The officials in Hawaii in 1961 who somehow allowed Obama's parents to get away with such a claim.
In fact, it is simple. Obama really was born in Hawaii. The short-form and long-form birth certificates from Hawaii really are accurate, Both say that he was born in Hawaii in 1961, and that is correct.
Well, if it is simple, as you so eloquently put it, why did Obama (the traitor) spend millions, was it?, trying to block access to the LFCOLB (it it existed?)?
Which is why I keep coming back to the press conference of 27th April. How many journalists were there? How many reported they actually held the alleged real LFCOLB as it was passed around? And if they held it then did they report they held it, like Guthrie? And if Guthrie is the only reporter to have held it and reported that she held it why have the other reporters not reported they did so? But if Guthrie held the alleged LFCOLB at another time and place other than the press conference then why was that?
As for the other people you mention, they could be blackmailed, threatened, etc. Do you still believe that Oswald shot JFK from the book depository? The people who control the US presidency, and I mean really control, are totally ruthless. Stinking evil.
Please have your next post containing references to articles by reports other than Guthrie saying the alleged LFCOLB was passed around and they held it, rather than just being held up and then quickly hidden out of public view.
Oh, some more questions.
1. has the alleged LFCOLB been submitted to and examined in a court of law?
2. Have those who have said they have seen the alleged LFCOLB testified they did so under oath in a court of law?
If not, then why not?
Re: " Well, if it is simple, as you so eloquently put it, why did Obama (the traitor) spend millions, was it?, trying to block access to the LFCOLB (it it existed?)?"
Answer. It is very simple. HE DIDN'T. There has never been a case against Obama just for the birth certificate or for the birth certificate and other documents. All the cases against Obama were attempts to stop elections or to get Obama off the ballot. Obama opposed them. He never opposed any case for documents or for his birth certificate BECAUSE THERE NEVER WAS ONE AGAINST HIM. And the "millions" figure is all made up by birthers.
Re: "How many reported they actually held the alleged real LFCOLB as it was passed around?"
Answer: It only takes one witness. She confirms what the DOH of Hawaii said, which was that she had sent a physical copy of the LF birth certificate to Obama.
Re: "if Guthrie is the only reporter to have held it and reported that she held it why have the other reporters not reported they did so?"
Answer: Because they reported that Obama's birth certificate was passed around in the press room, and that was sufficient.
Re: "As for the other people you mention, they could be blackmailed, threatened, etc. "
Answer: The confirmations by two of the Republican Hawaii officials that Obama was born in Hawaii TOOK PLACE BEFORE OBAMA WAS PRESIDENT.
Re: "Do you still believe that Oswald shot JFK from the book depository? "
Answer: What I believe has nothing to do with it. The facts are what are important. And the facts show that Obama has both a short form and a long form birth certificate from Hawaii, and (as proven by the birth notices in the newspapers), the Hawaii birth certificate was issued in 1961. There is also no evidence of any kind that Obama or his mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961.
Re: "Please have your next post containing references to articles by reports other than Guthrie saying the alleged LFCOLB was passed around and they held it, rather than just being held up and then quickly hidden out of public view.:"
Answer. No I won't. However, I will point at articles that say that Obama issued his birth certificate--which were carried by MANY newspapers and TV stations.
Re: "1. has the alleged LFCOLB been submitted to and examined in a court of law?"
Answer. No. It is not required. The Republican candidates have not shown their birth certificates at all, or should I say their alleged birth certificates.
You do not believe Savannah Guterie or the current DOH of Hawaii. Both would have to be lying for the physical copy of the long form not to exist and not to have been sent to Obama.
Who else do you think is part of the plot?
The current attorney general of Hawaii and the police of Hawaii, who have not brought action charging Obama with forging a Hawaii birth certificate?
The former attorney general of Hawaii (a conservative Repubican) who did not bring action charging Obama with forging the short-form Hawaii birth certificate?
The three Republican officials (the former DOH, registrar of vital statistics and former Governor of Hawaii) who all stated that the facts on Obama's birth certificate are accurate?
The unnamed clerk who created Obama's short form birth certificate by copying the facts in the file into the computer form that generated the short-form birth certificate. (Presumably heor she made it all up, or received a document from Obama telling what should be inserted instead of using the document in the files.
The witness who said that she had been told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in 1961 and wrote home about it.
Obama's Kenyan grandmother, who said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii and that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth ws in a letter from Hawaii.
The US Department of State, which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA in 1961.
The US Immigration and Naturalization Servixce (INS), which so far has not been able to find any document showing that Obama or Obama's mother traveled outside of the USA or returned to the USA in 1961.
The entire government of Kenya, or some other country, which has hidden records of Obama's mother arriving their and Obama having given birth there.
Obama's parents, who for some reason took on the risk of lying about Obama's place of birth (even though the discovery of such a lie could have gotten Obama's father deported) and did so for no understandable reason (a naturalized US citizen is as good as a natural born one for all purposes except becoming president). Do you think that they thought in 1961 that Obama had a chance to become president?
The officials in Hawaii in 1961 who somehow allowed Obama's parents to get away with such a claim.
In fact, it is simple. Obama really was born in Hawaii. The short-form and long-form birth certificates from Hawaii really are accurate, Both say that he was born in Hawaii in 1961, and that is correct.
I am concerned for your mental health and exactly who you are because you do not appear to be following social etiquette and respecting that this is my blog and not yours to spout your ideas. In addition you seem very reluctant to address anything but the birth certificate issue.
Now, let's read what you wrote in the third entry of this tiresome and distressing exchange.
"At the press conference two kinds of copies were handed out, the official two copies--which were passed around and then given back--and photocopies of the official copy, which they could keep."
I have kindly asked you several times to supply references other than from Guthrie which claim the LFCOLB was passed around, which you say
"I failed to bookmark it."
This implies to me that you are aware of at least one reference other than Guthrie on this.
But at the last time of asking for these references, how do you reply?
"Answer. No I won't. However, I will point at articles that say that Obama issued his birth certificate--which were carried by MANY newspapers and TV stations."
Can you not see there is a big big difference between a pdf being released online and a piece of paper being held up, to the actual LFCOLB being passed around by a lot of reporters? At the time the LFCOLB was perhaps the most important piece of paper in the world, yet only one reporter says she held it and photographed it! And she has very very dubious connections. It all stinks to me.
And I have also stated lots of reasons for believing that Obama cannot be trusted so there is a possibility that there is something fishy about his LFCOLB. And I have also stated why some people could just be saying they have seen the LFCOLB; death threats, blackmail, etc.
I think you have no idea just who runs the planet and the depths they will go to, which is why I mentioned JFK. Killing a POTUS is nothing to these people.
So please respect that this is my blog not yours to continue your relentless harrassment over a single point.
Isn't there a medical definition for this kind of behaviour and obsession?
I ask again, kindly, and for the last time before I consider reporting you for harrassment, can you supply references other than Guthrie who at the press conference on 27th April say the LFCOLB was passed around and that they held it?
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